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the planets often masters almost surely

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have a plan this clearly may be

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something near beyond the realm of man

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attitude already tested every sample

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just upon the more you think you Mel the

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that you really do that's true dr. Zaius

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uh where would we be without because we

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know the fine

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the highest tide - oh let go

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all right higher side shatters most of

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us have reached the point in life where

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we realized how truly nefarious our

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carefully crafted society really is as

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we're dropped aimlessly an ignorant from

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the abyss into an abusive fear fuelled

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system of economic enslavement forced to

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endure a decade plus of obedience

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training just to get it started on top

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of endless finely-tuned think tank

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propaganda only to be shuffled into a

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nine-to-five cycle of exploitation

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broken promises and unrealized dreams

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where a non-negotiable portion of our

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already low wages is taken by force for

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the puppet masters personal piggy bank

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and world domination fund well it's

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pretty much a no-brainer that there's a

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better way to do things but in the

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opinion of today's guest the best system

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might be no system at all

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his name is Adam kokeshi he's a

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passionate activist and a powerful voice

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in the libertarian movement you might

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have seen his popular show Adam versed

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the man or read his freely distributed

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book freedom and having completed his

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lengthy for the love of freedom to her

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not long ago it's a real treat to have

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him here Adam a man welcome to the

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higher side well well thanks Greg but

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you don't have to sell those you're

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responsibly nice things about me is to

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have a good conversation I appreciate

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the undeservedly epic introduction I

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hope I can do something in a way of

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living up to that today and it really is

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a great honor to have this kind of

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opportunity for for the kind of

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conversation that you host with this

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show to talk about what I care about

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which is freedom for sure man I

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appreciate that and thanks for coming on

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no doubt you're an active and passionate

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guy got to respect that and just for

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people who might not be familiar with

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your background and level of commitment

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to causes that are important to you walk

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us through some ear experiences since

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this path of activism seemed to have

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started with your involvement joining

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the Iraq Veterans Against the War group

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up through having enough time in jail to

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write your book to where we are now it's

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been quite a journey man a full time

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activist for nine and a half years plus

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now coming up on my 10-year anniversary

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of full time activism next February and

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it started while I mean I could go back

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to becoming a libertarian high school

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when they said do you want to be a

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Republican or

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Kratts and I was like wait wait wait

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wait no no no no no no I don't have to

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be lame this is America I got to have a

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choice

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and you know they told me there's these

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libertarians you know these these crazy

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people who like to be left alone and I

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was a punk kid so yeah leave me alone

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sign me up for that and I became a

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libertarian in name only having gotten

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the political version of the message of

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socially liberal fiscally conservative

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but I had gotten this political version

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of the message I couldn't really get the

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exit eight just took me a long time to

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get to the philosophical version of the

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message and I feel like that was kind of

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a point of rebirth for me even so that

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really that's the story it has to start

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with that point but that getting the

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political message didn't stop me from

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enlisting in the Marine Corps

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volunteering to go to Iraq having that

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whole experience and the reason the

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philosophical message is so much more

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important that it's about ethics it's

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about raising the standard of ethics and

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society freedom is what you have when no

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one is forcing their will on you in any

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way so what does it mean to force your

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will on someone else well when we say

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don't hit don't steal don't kill it's

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not unless you're a cop or an IRS agent

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or a soldier and I did some terribly

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unethical things in the Marine Corps in

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Iraq if you want to get into that that

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haunt me to this day and it was a

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10-year process for me getting out of

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the Marine Corps you know actually I was

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a reservist going to college and I

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volunteered to go to Iraq and I brought

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a pistol back as a souvenir I bought it

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from an Iraqi cop and I got in trouble

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with that on campus at my college when I

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was in between activations basically and

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I was getting ready to go back to Iraq

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in 2006 after graduating from college

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and this became a problem when my unit

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found out about it and I spent a year

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instead of going to Iraq managing a

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barracks at Camp Pendleton mowing lawns

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as a sergeant who spoke Arabic with

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civil affairs experience

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and so I was just disgruntled enough

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when I got out to really start

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questioning things I mean people look at

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me like I'm smart and it's ridiculous I

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mean I was not just dumb enough to

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enlist in the Marine Corps you know and

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I want to say just barely smart enough

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to figure out that it was a racket

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but even then I needed a lot of help to

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figure it out I needed a lot of

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circumstance to put like I had to be

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disgruntled with the Marine Corps you

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know I got busted down from sergeant to

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corporal the day after they gave me a

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medal for my time in Iraq so it was just

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like this really strange experience for

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me getting out of the Marine Corps that

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led me to first question the war but it

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was I moved to DC to get a master's

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degree in political management at George

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Washington University and that's where I

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found Iraq Veterans Against the War and

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getting involved with that was huge for

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me especially in the therapy of getting

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over my combat experience and being able

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to be surrounded by other veterans and

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take the the evils and the trauma of my

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combat experience and put it to good use

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was immensely satisfying and really the

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foundation of my activism I fell into

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that full-time ended up touring all over

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the country with IV alw doing a lot of

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civil disobedience getting arrested and

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then I went through a major shift it was

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a sort of break from anti-war activism

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when I moved back to New Mexico to run

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for Congress in 2010 as a Republican as

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part of the Ron Paul strategy I had his

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endorsement in that then I couldn't shut

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up when the race was over so I well

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excuse me during that time was when I

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read ethics of Liberty by Murray

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Rothbard and that was you know there's a

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certain bottom of the rabbit hole that

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you get to I like to say that the only

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time you're wrong is when you think

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you're at the bottom of the rabbit hole

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because there is no bottom it just keeps

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going and I certainly found that out

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with my recent challenges but they

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kind of bottom of the rabbit hole on

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violence and politics which is

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philosophical libertarianism when you

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use just to understand that ethics is

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universal for a reason you know we don't

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need to make this exception for

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government that when you do unethical

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things you get best bad results and it

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doesn't matter if you excuse it with

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voting or government or the needs of the

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many or anything like that if you

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violate ethical principles it is not

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conducive to human happiness and I think

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that's what we're realizing now that so

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much of humanity's misery comes from the

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institutionalized violence and coercion

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of government so that's what I've

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dedicated my life to working on one way

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or another and so when the race was over

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I couldn't shut up I got a radio show

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that was the start of a delicious demand

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then the TV show then the independent

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versions on the internet and I killed

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Adam versus a man when I released

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freedom which I started writing I can't

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say I wrote it when I was in jail a lot

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of people like to exaggerate that on my

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behalf but I started writing it when I

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was in jail I had the idea for it when I

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was in jail for four months in DC and I

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had a lot of help you know yeah I think

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I was voted in high school

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least likely ever finished reading a

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book so when people go oh you wrote a

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hey well it's okay I had a lot of help

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and it was more that I saw the

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opportunity to create the ultimate red

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pill and it was when I had all these

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great books and myself in jail that

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people had sent me this great attempt to

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share the message of freedom in a way

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that would changes some of the world you

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change someone's perspective and I

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thought you know we need you know the

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ultimate combination of all the

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strengths of all these books with none

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of their weaknesses and that what I set

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out to do with freedom and then because

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I got a lot of help I think at least we

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succeeded in creating what today at

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present time I'm sure a better one will

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come along shortly but sooner the better

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but at what at present time is the

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fastest way to take someone from zero to

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I get it

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in terms of the nature of government in

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the nature of freedom and how we move

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past this whole paradigm of

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of central violent control so I hope

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that wasn't too long of an answer no not

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at all hours yes well I also was hoping

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maybe you could go into how it was your

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commitment to activism that landed you

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in jail for four months I mean what was

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the catalyst that got you on the radar

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of the system that they felt they needed

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to make an example of you

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oh man well that's that's uh that's kind

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of several long stories but basically

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it's reloading a shotgun for a YouTube

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video in the ironically named Freedom

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Plaza two blocks from the White House

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and it started I suppose February 2013

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when we gun control issue was becoming a

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big deal and as someone who has always

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been a major proponent of gun rights and

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and I have to say for the long run you

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know for people who are wondering you

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know like how this works in a stateless

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society with no restrictions on firearms

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possession well on your own property you

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do whatever you like you want your

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property be a gun-free zone you have the

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right to do that you want your community

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to be a gun-free zone if everybody

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voluntarily wants that no they hate they

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have you have that right and in the long

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run what what if like five people don't

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well then on their own property they're

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allowed to do whatever they like you

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know you can have a collective as long

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as there's no violence involved if me

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and and my ten neighbors in my tiny

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little corner of Juniper wood ranch here

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say you know we sign a pact and you know

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we want our area to be gun-free and we

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agreed and not allow guns on our

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property then that's our business I

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wouldn't do that I would just to be

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clear I would not do that but I will say

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as much as I am pro-gun in the present

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and really indefinitely into the future

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in the sense that I would never want

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anybody's right to defend themselves how

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they see fit and fringe I would never

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want anybody's right of self-ownership

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the right to do what they want with

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their own property infringed by force in

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any way whatsoever what guns represent

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is a tool of preserving value when used

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in just in a just situation where you

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use them for defense but obviously in a

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perfectly free society there's no need

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to use them for defense because

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aggression is so descent advised and in

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so many ways that it doesn't really

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exist but more importantly with

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technology I think we're going to render

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guns obsolete very soon here I mean as

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soon as you have Star Trek's phasers

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that you can set to stun where if you

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shoot someone in the pinky toe it

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paralyzes them and yet preserves the

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value of their life then you know in

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that situation I you know when we get to

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that point it's like if someone invented

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that today and you know was able to make

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it as cheap as a firearm and within five

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10 years it was readily available if

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someone came to my gate with a gun on

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his hip I'd be like hey you're not

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welcome on my property with that like

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we'll play with guns we'll have fun with

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guns we'll go hunting with guns but if

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you're going to carry a gun for

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self-defense that's not really

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responsible when you have something

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that's more capable of disabling someone

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and less destructive that preserves the

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value of that person's life I mean was

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the person was poisoned and essentially

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already have this with tasers and pepper

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spray and personally yeah I viously

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these don't completely add up to the

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stopping power of a firearm today and I

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think for that reason you know to end

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with today's technology carrying a

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firearm is a smart thing to do and you

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know I've opened before I became a felon

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I would open carry whenever I could I

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would concealed carry whenever I was

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legally comfortable with that and at

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some point today you know like if you

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have someone coming after you and a

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Taser and a pepper spray you know might

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not stop them yeah shoot them absolutely

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hundred-percent I totally backup your

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right to defend yourself that way and

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that's that's what I would do but I do

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think it's somewhat irresponsible even

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with today's technology to carry a

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firearm and not it least also carry

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pepper spray or a Taser so that before

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you escalate to deadly force and and

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sometimes you might need to immediately

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that you have the option to use less

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than lethal force but anyway that rant

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aside

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go back to the story well I mean I knew

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we were going to kind of disagree a

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little bit on the gun issue and I fall

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into a weird category that I personally

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really don't like guns or want to be

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around them but I also would never want

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to shackle a person's ability to defend

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themselves or want to limit a person's

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ability to have a gun legally it's just

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a slippery slope because you know you

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had this demonstration that I understand

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was like an open carry on Washington and

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I know it's a peaceful demonstration to

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highlight your rights to be able to do

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that but I'm not comfortable with people

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I don't know being within eyeshot of me

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being able to kill me with the pull of

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their index finger I mean you don't have

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to be on my property to be antagonizing

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me by loading a gun on the right outside

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the border of my property and I consider

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that to be antagonizing and threatening

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you know it's a it's a slippery slope

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and it's a hard place for me to find an

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actual position well let me give you a

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little perspective it that I've had to

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embrace that might make it a little

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easier with it because your your concern

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is legitimate absolutely that you come

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to draw a certain line and have some

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lack of clarity on that it is also

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understandable because there is a sort

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of subjectiveness to a lot of these

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issues that is not often taken into

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account I certainly respect we are

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coming from and saying you know like

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basically if I want it if you don't want

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to regulate safety on other people's

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property on their behalf right like if

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you think guns are totally dangerous

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that's fine but you recognize that it's

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still not right in any case for you to

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come onto my property and point guns of

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government at me or use force against me

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in any way to say don't be dangerous to

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enforce safety on someone else but in

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the bigger picture of someone else being

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a threat here's what I think will give

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you the perspective on this that might

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help you draw your own lines if you if

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you will or if you choose to which is

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that human life is incredibly incredibly

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fragile true if someone wants you dead

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you're dead we live human beings live at

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the pleasure of every other human being

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on the planet

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your

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immediate vicinity wants you dead we're

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not alive because we have limited our

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ability physically to kill each other

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because you know you can put someone's

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throat you can choke them you can poison

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them I don't mean to get you know

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macabre this huh but to just embrace

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that fact to acknowledge how Rajal human

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life is it is to really live in the joy

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of that mutual respect that is the

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foundation of humanity essentially that

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we all are a communal species who

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fundamentally love each other I mean it

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is it is a lots of exceptions and sure

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but when it comes down to it you know we

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are programmed to love and support each

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other and if nothing else if for no

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other reason than that we have been

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programmed and designed to be

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interdependent so we don't want to kill

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each other you know even if you take all

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the flowery philosophical loving

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analysis ad we take the word love out of

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it just scientifically biologically you

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know what do as human beings we have

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played the power to be so destructive to

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be so murderous if we want to be envied

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at murder is a relatively rare

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phenomenon we can look at compared to

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other species and other complex

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organisms but they do kill each other in

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different ways

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humanity is not particularly special one

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way or another if anything I think what

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makes us special is that having become

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the dominant species through

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intelligence is that we are continuing

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to evolve with our intelligence to be

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more peaceful to be more respectful

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because we realize it is more

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cooperative in our best interests that

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way according to Professor Professor

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Steven Pinker Steven Pinker at Harvard

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excuse me who gave a great TED talk on

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the subject we are living in the most

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peaceful times in human history you are

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less likely today than ever before

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we subject to violence at the hands of

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another human being and so this is where

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it comes back to my so

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worried that you know one of the things

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we wanted to demonstrate was that gun

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control as a violent policy and thanks

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to the raid on my home I was able to

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demonstrate that beyond a shadow of a

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doubt that when they say you know we

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want to take your guns away or that you

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know we're going to impose gun control

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in any way it means that if you you know

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cert your right to defend yourself with

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firearms that government will come with

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even more guns and take them away and

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lock you in a cage and that's literally

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what happened to me right and I'm

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totally an agreement with the idea that

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people are manipulated to live in fear

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when in reality not much really happens

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most lone gunman can be traced back to a

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power network most major attacks are

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coordinated false flags so there always

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seems to be you know something systemic

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at its heart even though we're told this

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is all random chaos and you have to be

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careful because there's just lone nuts

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out there

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and I definitely acknowledge that but in

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an entire lifetime you know if you were

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to just to take a populated area like

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the mall if you were to go there every

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day for 30 years it's 99.9% of people

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you are with in that room are harmless

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and decide not to engage in you know

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violence with you it only takes that one

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person out of a hundred thousand to fire

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a weapon and appropriately kill your

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loved ones a lot of people are peaceful

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but it only takes one person one time to

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really ruin someone's life and are we

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going to just trust every individual to

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be responsible with a firearm I mean

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people are dumb what if some 16 year old

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starts juggling guns in a public place I

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mean I know these are kind of extremes

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but that does happen and I just don't

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want to trust that kind of stupidity I

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also don't want to have to go to a

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National Monument and see armed guards

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with machine guns that doesn't make me

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comfortable either I don't know them

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just as much as I don't know an

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individual but it does make me nervous

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what do we do like let's say just to

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throw out an actual question for you

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what about weapons of mass destruction

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nuclear weapons Bondurant oh yeah so

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here's so man it's

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only juicy topics you just opened up

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with that because you know I kind of

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want to take this back to the problem of

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violence in society alright let's let's

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let's step back from the tools of

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violence and look at the bigger picture

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of violence for a second and if we're

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talking about moving forward to a

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stateless society that is one in which

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there is no institutionalized coercion

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in the form of government then how does

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this apply to the general problem of

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violence well first of all ninety

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percent or so depends on how you want to

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count it of all the violence in the

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world today is done in the name of

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government so right away you eliminate

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governments you've eliminated ninety

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percent of the violence in society now

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you have to then take into account is

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government preventing any violence and

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the answer is not significantly because

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what do police do you know after a

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violent crime usually they show up

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afterwards and write a report if they

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make arrests that they're fortunate

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enough they put them through the

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government punishment system rather than

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a justice system which makes it easy for

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people to get away with things so there

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may be some legitimate deterrent effect

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from government but in this bigger

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picture it's really insignificant

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because you look at the remaining 10% of

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the violence in the world that is not

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committed in the name of government 90

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plus percent of that is at least

546
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,000
indirectly caused by government with the

547
00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:08,580
drug war especially as the big obvious

548
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:10,830
one I mean there's so many examples of

549
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,500
this but the poverty as well that is

550
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:15,059
created by government when people are

551
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:17,100
working for their corporate overlords

552
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:19,320
through a system of Taxation and

553
00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:22,020
oligopoly well yeah of course you're

554
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,169
going to have people desperate in many

555
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:27,840
you know unfortunate situations that

556
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:30,450
lead them to commit crimes of incentive

557
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:32,510
so I think you get rid of government

558
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,120
right away you get rid of 99% of the

559
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,400
violence in the world like wow if you

560
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:40,980
really care about reducing violence you

561
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,179
know we got to be honest

562
00:22:46,220 --> 00:22:44,220
Paige with the big picture here and

563
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:46,230
agree that we're going to work on the

564
00:22:51,739 --> 00:22:49,110
remaining interpersonal violence once we

565
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:51,749
get the big problem of violence out of

566
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:53,730
the way fair but what about the vacuum

567
00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:55,470
that might control how do we know we

568
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,169
won't have situations where warlords and

569
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:00,659
mafias and gangs start competing for

570
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:03,450
local territory now that's a good

571
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:04,049
question

572
00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:08,039
again still not a reason to not get rid

573
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,990
of government as soon as we reasonably

574
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:12,840
can because and by that I mean with a

575
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,940
paradigm shift behind it because the

576
00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:16,740
question is like as you know if a doctor

577
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,740
says look you have cancer and I'm going

578
00:23:23,539 --> 00:23:21,600
to cut it out and you're going to be

579
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:23,549
cancer free you're not going to tell the

580
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:26,340
doctor well I don't know it might come

581
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:28,169
back why don't you just leave the cancer

582
00:23:32,869 --> 00:23:30,570
there and let it do its thing right so

583
00:23:35,509 --> 00:23:32,879
in the sense that we have a paradigm

584
00:23:37,369 --> 00:23:35,519
shift behind the abolition of government

585
00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:37,379
means that we have to raise the standard

586
00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:39,629
of ethics and society much more broadly

587
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:42,389
we have to win a certain number of

588
00:23:47,060 --> 00:23:45,570
converts to thinking for themselves I

589
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:47,070
don't feel bad using that language

590
00:23:51,769 --> 00:23:49,529
because we're not converting anyone to a

591
00:23:54,909 --> 00:23:51,779
Dogma we're converting them to free

592
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:54,919
thinking and no free thinking person

593
00:24:00,769 --> 00:23:57,690
wants to use violence against another

594
00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:00,779
person or to govern another person or or

595
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:04,070
to support that violence in any way so

596
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,690
there has to be that critical mass of

597
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:09,299
people in society who have gone through

598
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,440
the awakening if you will that so many

599
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:15,720
of us have in terms of the nature of

600
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,490
government and violence and if that's

601
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:20,159
the case there is not going to be a

602
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:22,769
power vacuum because in order for there

603
00:24:26,869 --> 00:24:24,690
to be a power vacuum and again but

604
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,879
because I what I'm advocating is is an

605
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:29,580
evolutionary shift not a revolutionary

606
00:24:33,379 --> 00:24:31,860
shift so the power vacuum argument is

607
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:33,389
legitimate if we were to have a

608
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:35,730
revolution and you know a bunch of armed

609
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:38,490
militias go in and have a big shootout

610
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:39,539
with government and then there's no one

611
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:41,129
there because the general public

612
00:24:46,249 --> 00:24:44,369
paradigm still supports government the

613
00:24:49,609 --> 00:24:46,259
population will create a new government

614
00:24:51,769 --> 00:24:49,619
or rather new individuals within the

615
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:51,779
general population will take advantage

616
00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:53,669
of that and step up and say oh you want

617
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:55,000
to rule or albey

618
00:25:01,320 --> 00:24:58,450
your ruler no problem but if that were

619
00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:01,330
to happen after a paradigm shift after

620
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:03,640
we have this localization of government

621
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:05,980
not an overthrowing not and not a sudden

622
00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:08,260
abolition but localization

623
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:11,470
decentralization of power then you'd

624
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:13,150
have to have someone step up and be like

625
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:15,730
hey guys remember when we had all those

626
00:25:20,340 --> 00:25:18,130
Wars and the police state and taxes

627
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:20,350
wasn't that awesome let's do that again

628
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:22,780
because you can't just have a single

629
00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:26,230
warlord doing that it doesn't work every

630
00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:29,680
system of governance requires a certain

631
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:32,200
amount of public buying and general

632
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,510
social support if you don't have an

633
00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:37,440
enforcement class of cops and soldiers

634
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,390
willing to do violence against peaceful

635
00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:42,880
people on behalf of the Warlord's or

636
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,230
whatever the government people are

637
00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:46,480
calling themselves then you don't have

638
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:49,780
an actual viable institution of

639
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:51,850
government and that's the point is to

640
00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:55,240
take away that viability by taking a

641
00:26:00,660 --> 00:25:57,880
support out from underneath it okay so

642
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:00,670
the structure as you want it to be would

643
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:03,130
be underpinned by specific principles

644
00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:06,880
and an evolution of sorts but how do you

645
00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:08,980
look like when you said you know the

646
00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:10,750
best system might be no system at all

647
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:12,820
earlier I kind of take issue with that

648
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:14,290
language a little bit because to me the

649
00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:16,930
system is the natural law is the natural

650
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:18,460
order of harmony and respect for

651
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:21,190
individual rights it's the the

652
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:23,770
imposition of assist it's like it's like

653
00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:25,930
going to an accent a national park like

654
00:26:30,150 --> 00:26:27,580
going to use cemet and looking at the

655
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:30,160
beautiful environment and how everything

656
00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:32,470
is in harmony and there's a balance in

657
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:34,660
nature and all the different species are

658
00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:36,700
interdependent and successful and going

659
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:38,680
and saying well this thing is terrible

660
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:40,570
there's no system here we need to put a

661
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:42,970
system on there you know it's like no

662
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:45,880
there's there's a beautiful panoply

663
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,360
already of natural systems and inorganic

664
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:51,520
means of interacting that are

665
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:54,040
flourishing without any system being

666
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:57,310
imposed by force from external actor or

667
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:00,520
central control mechanism okay but how

668
00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:03,490
do you ensure that everybody evolves or

669
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:06,520
adapt to these principles I mean what if

670
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:08,850
someone just says yeah I see the

671
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:11,490
balance and natural order and I want to

672
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:13,710
disrupt that I mean how do you make

673
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,590
sure everybody evolved once you dissolve

674
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:18,000
outside security or the enforcement

675
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:19,799
class which I do agree with it is an

676
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,809
enforcement class but I don't know I

677
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:23,580
think it's served some benefit in

678
00:27:28,639 --> 00:27:26,490
keeping the chaos somewhat in check I

679
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:28,649
mean I know that's kind of a it's almost

680
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,690
a double standard for a conspiracy

681
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:32,940
theorist to say but I worry that you

682
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:35,370
can't force everyone to evolve you're

683
00:27:41,389 --> 00:27:37,470
saying fight fire with fire I'm saying

684
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:41,399
no fight fire with water and in that

685
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:43,769
sense what you're talking about is not

686
00:27:49,009 --> 00:27:46,919
you know an illegitimate concern but

687
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:49,019
it's sort of like what we're talking

688
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,330
about a non-violence is always superior

689
00:27:54,919 --> 00:27:53,039
to violence you know stuff you learned

690
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,929
in kindergarten right like let's just

691
00:27:59,299 --> 00:27:57,840
stop making these crazy exceptions

692
00:28:01,279 --> 00:27:59,309
called government so that some people

693
00:28:05,629 --> 00:28:01,289
can use violence against peaceful people

694
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:05,639
right so I really believe that every

695
00:28:10,009 --> 00:28:07,289
human being is capable of understanding

696
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:10,019
this it's kind of like hygiene you know

697
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,179
the first humans who invented you know

698
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:15,659
brushing your teeth didn't have to force

699
00:28:19,159 --> 00:28:17,490
it on everybody they just have to smile

700
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:19,169
and say hey do you want to keep your

701
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,289
teeth or not and in the same sense it's

702
00:28:26,509 --> 00:28:25,080
do you want to be a good person you want

703
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,519
to be an ethical person do you want to

704
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:28,620
support other people acting ethically or

705
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:32,250
unethically like what is it that it's in

706
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:34,950
your best interest and I think I think

707
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:37,230
every human being is capable of

708
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:41,159
understanding that eventually it will be

709
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:42,690
in you know while there are plenty of

710
00:28:46,999 --> 00:28:44,990
temptations of violence and force and

711
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,009
temporary payoffs and things like that

712
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,500
that ultimately and their own best

713
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,720
interest over their lifetime being

714
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:54,480
nonviolent is in their own best interest

715
00:28:59,419 --> 00:28:57,110
and and that's I believe that is

716
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,429
fundamentally universal to being you

717
00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:00,720
know in an independent human

718
00:29:05,509 --> 00:29:03,389
consciousness that we are all capable of

719
00:29:07,999 --> 00:29:05,519
understanding that and and will

720
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:08,009
eventually and even if we don't you know

721
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:10,049
like to be able to move past this

722
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,330
you only need a critical mass of people

723
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:14,159
who are willing to work to make the

724
00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:17,010
specific changes happen and when you say

725
00:29:20,899 --> 00:29:18,990
to the general public hey could we do

726
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:20,909
less violence here would you be okay

727
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:23,310
with that and we can use the electoral

728
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,870
like okay we're going to stop doing in

729
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:27,000
that violence okay how about this my own

730
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:28,470
can we stop doing this violence now

731
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:30,510
would you be okay with that and go yeah

732
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:31,800
hey look how that would make our lives

733
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:34,050
immediately better so this is my concept

734
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:36,510
of localization we don't need to

735
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:39,710
convince every single American that

736
00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:41,970
government is fundamentally unethical

737
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,800
just that it should be localized would

738
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,140
you rather be governed by people in your

739
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:48,150
community in your state or where you

740
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:50,310
know in a scale where voice in your vote

741
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:52,770
have a chance of the of mattering or

742
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:55,560
would you rather have it you know be

743
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,690
governed by someone in a far-off capital

744
00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:59,820
and I think that's a relatively easy

745
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:01,950
pitch yeah well I do agree with you

746
00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:03,930
there that local government would be

747
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:05,670
better but when you're talking about

748
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:08,370
government being the problem itself that

749
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:11,430
the system is the issue I kind of think

750
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,110
that that terminology might be off a

751
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:15,000
little bit because when I see a lot of

752
00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:17,850
the major problems that people pin on

753
00:30:22,540 --> 00:30:19,800
government I think they're actually

754
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,550
caused by wealthy industrialists and

755
00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:24,720
corporate lobbyists and banking

756
00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:27,150
oligarchs using government as their

757
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:29,160
liaison you know you got pharmaceutical

758
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:31,110
companies pushing to make their vaccines

759
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,780
mandatory Rockefeller and Ford were the

760
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:36,240
money behind the Education Department to

761
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:37,830
dumb people down so they'd have no

762
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:40,500
competition powerful textile lobbyists

763
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:42,150
are the ones that made marijuana illegal

764
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:45,150
so is it government itself or is it

765
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:47,190
really these multinational corporations

766
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,910
and wealthy industrialists who are

767
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:52,140
manipulating it because they have the

768
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:54,900
power to do so well I'm glad you asked

769
00:30:59,410 --> 00:30:56,970
the question that way but let me suggest

770
00:31:02,750 --> 00:30:59,420
a better understanding of how that

771
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:02,760
relationship develops right so say

772
00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:04,830
you've got you know the pharmaceutical

773
00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:06,150
industry and you have some companies

774
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:09,030
that are using marijuana at a low profit

775
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,150
margin right because it's natural and

776
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,520
it's open to competition and they can't

777
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:17,190
patent THC right like you can have the

778
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:21,390
pharmaceutical and one person gets into

779
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:24,690
that industry who's an evil person and I

780
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:26,130
mean I want to say evil person that's

781
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:27,630
really not a necessary framework right

782
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:30,540
there's no fair range but sure someone

783
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,490
of ill intent someone who's willing to

784
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:34,500
do something unethical to get themselves

785
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:37,230
ahead is in that so say you've got you

786
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,150
ten different companies ten different

787
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:41,820
CEOs and in the pharmaceutical industry

788
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:45,299
and government exists and when

789
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,490
government exists that one nefarious

790
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:49,559
person who wants to beat out as

791
00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:52,460
competition and is unafraid to use

792
00:31:56,270 --> 00:31:54,390
unethical means to beat their

793
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:56,280
competition when government is there

794
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:59,340
that person goes cool all I have to do

795
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:01,350
is bribe government and they'll use

796
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:03,990
violence in order to support my business

797
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,330
interests right if you don't have

798
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:08,880
government there that nefarious person

799
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:12,299
has nothing to use there is nothing

800
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:15,299
there for them to do those unethical

801
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:17,610
things with and so the people who are

802
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,260
going to compete and be successful are

803
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,960
the ones who are using ethical means for

804
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,640
their business practices well I mean

805
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,740
it's only when you enter when you put

806
00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:28,799
the tool on the table that that you know

807
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:30,780
you're correct to say that they go hand

808
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:35,520
in glove but the problem is not the the

809
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:38,400
the concept of a company wanting to get

810
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:40,590
ahead the problem is a company wanting

811
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:42,299
to get ahead in a world with government

812
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:45,030
that rewards corruption that rewards

813
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:48,150
violence that rewards bribery well let

814
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,160
me use your own example because you say

815
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:52,799
it's the government that rewards those

816
00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:54,510
criminal actions in the bribery and all

817
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,460
that stuff but I I think it's the profit

818
00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:58,559
motive itself because to use your own

819
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:00,860
example of ten pharmaceutical companies

820
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:03,480
existing in a world where they want to

821
00:33:08,419 --> 00:33:05,970
make the most profit even if you don't

822
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:08,429
have government you still have this

823
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,730
incentive for one company who maybe

824
00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:13,740
isn't as doing as well as the other ones

825
00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:17,280
to go and pay someone covertly to poison

826
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:19,169
the other nine companies vaccines to

827
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,150
taint them so that their companies have

828
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:23,640
a massive scandal and thus the one

829
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,770
company wasn't doing as good is now at

830
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,440
the top so even without a government I

831
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,480
mean it's the profit motive itself that

832
00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:32,940
creates the incentive for criminal

833
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,030
action because greed at least how I

834
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:38,640
should know and that's that's definitely

835
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:41,160
a point that deserves to be addressed in

836
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,010
all of this getting rid of government is

837
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:46,559
not a guarantee that no one will do

838
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:49,590
anything anything unethical but having a

839
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:51,059
government is a Gary

840
00:33:57,259 --> 00:33:54,120
t-that people will do unethical things

841
00:33:59,659 --> 00:33:57,269
so part of the problem with a society

842
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,669
that supports government is that you

843
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,120
give warped the profit motive incentive

844
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:05,519
system so you're right that the profit

845
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,889
motive exists but in a world where

846
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:09,839
there's no government and therefore no

847
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,409
market for violence in that sense then

848
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,839
you can only make money by serving

849
00:34:18,859 --> 00:34:17,550
people by helping people or like you

850
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,869
said you know sometimes there's that

851
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:20,879
separate criminal but I think you have

852
00:34:25,579 --> 00:34:22,310
better ways of holding them accountable

853
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,589
you know in a system with which demands

854
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:27,659
transparency as opposed to a government

855
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:30,030
one which creates secrecy and corruption

856
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:35,310
so if you have a situation where that is

857
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,060
you know that that profit motive is only

858
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,520
responsive to market forces then that

859
00:34:47,809 --> 00:34:44,240
profit motive is properly harnessed to

860
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,819
incentivize people to serve others but

861
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,399
when the market says well we like the

862
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:52,980
free market but we also like government

863
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:55,649
to come in and regulate stuff and use

864
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,200
violence against peaceful people and to

865
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:01,440
conduct a drug war and a war on terror

866
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:04,380
and a war on crime and a war on poverty

867
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,390
and we want all of this violence it

868
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:08,700
means that anybody who's stepping up in

869
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,130
any business has to respond to that

870
00:35:14,839 --> 00:35:13,200
market for violence I mean even if

871
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:14,849
you're going to cut someone's hair you

872
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:17,490
need a government license to do that so

873
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:20,760
you have to if you want to not if you

874
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:23,010
want to because the market says well if

875
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:24,510
I'm going to get my hair cut at a barber

876
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,750
shop

877
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,880
I want a barber who's licensed by

878
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,280
government well that that's the market

879
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:32,160
saying I not saying I want a safe or

880
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:34,200
responsible or ethical barber it's

881
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:35,579
saying that I want to make sure my

882
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:38,339
barber is paid off the violent extortion

883
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:40,440
racket of government and contribute to

884
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:42,450
that and gotten their permission to cut

885
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:45,030
my hair so in the same sense of eating

886
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:46,380
you can turn that to the bigger scale

887
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,270
when when the government went when the

888
00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:51,300
general population says yes I want an

889
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,819
FDA to tell me what's safe to eat

890
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:56,040
and to use violence to enforce its

891
00:36:01,760 --> 00:35:59,490
decision well it's you it's creating in

892
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:01,770
and of itself a market for violence that

893
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:04,980
takes what is a good thing the

894
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,050
in a sense that greed is good and I

895
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:09,180
don't I wouldn't use that language

896
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,730
obviously but in a sense that the desire

897
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:13,859
to create value for yourself the desire

898
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,630
to create value for your other human

899
00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:17,760
being the desire to create value for the

900
00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:20,100
world that's a good thing that's what

901
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:23,100
moves humanity forward you can you can

902
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:24,690
twist it and say it's greed or SATA

903
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:26,460
greed is the twisted version of it I

904
00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:30,090
think it's only greed when it's I mean

905
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:31,830
it's very subjective who cares about the

906
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,869
meaning of the word but greed has come

907
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,480
to take on a whole other connotation of

908
00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:39,119
somehow not providing value to other

909
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:40,830
people and I think that's a that's a

910
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,770
product of the broader status Society

911
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:45,960
and the broader market for violence or

912
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,530
even just demand for violence that that

913
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,290
is part of the status paradigm I mean

914
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,300
those are fair points I guess I just

915
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,130
fail to see government itself as the

916
00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:58,440
mechanism behind that violence I kind of

917
00:37:01,700 --> 00:36:59,970
just see government as a neutral tool

918
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:01,710
that can be used like a hammer to build

919
00:37:04,820 --> 00:37:03,210
great things or to bash someone's head

920
00:37:06,830 --> 00:37:04,830
in and of course the reason our

921
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:06,840
government doesn't work is because it is

922
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:09,150
co-opted by wealthy industrialists

923
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:11,430
bankers and international corporations

924
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:14,220
it serves different masters who do use

925
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:15,630
government to tilt the odds in their

926
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:17,640
favor but without it I think they'd just

927
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,650
be driven by greed to do it in other

928
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,960
ways even poverty like you mentioned

929
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:23,460
which is one of the biggest forms of

930
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,230
violence so many crimes wouldn't be

931
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,000
committed without our poverty problem

932
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:29,040
and so many corporate crimes are the

933
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,980
result of the dog-eat-dog ten percent

934
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,480
growth every year you might as well be

935
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:36,119
bankrupt mindset and I don't see how

936
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:38,430
removing government alone responds to

937
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,470
those incentives you're I mean your

938
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,300
guess is as good as mine how you might

939
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:43,980
make a workable system without all that

940
00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:46,050
but I still think the bigger problem is

941
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,670
that a certain kind of person is willing

942
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,160
to trash the planet kill or sabotage

943
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:52,200
those in their way and pay slave wages

944
00:37:57,020 --> 00:37:54,750
and completely exploit the rest of us to

945
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,030
get a bigger pile of green paper and

946
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,460
that's the real issue as far as I can

947
00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:02,520
tell well I wouldn't dispute that you

948
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:03,990
know you raise a lot of good problems

949
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:05,210
but there's so many things in there that

950
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:08,490
seem like logical fallacies behind there

951
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:10,170
or a presumption behind what you're

952
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:11,640
saying that I'd like to critically

953
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:13,050
examine and unpack

954
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:17,310
if we can hear and I'm I I wish I was

955
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:18,710
taking notes during the lat

956
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,970
like three minutes because it was like

957
00:38:23,339 --> 00:38:21,200
oh this and then this and then this I

958
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,349
got because I kind of got to go so

959
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,960
premise by premise here and I want to

960
00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:29,119
first step back in like it's a much

961
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:31,640
bigger picture here about this and try

962
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:33,890
to bring some context to this

963
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:35,960
conversation itself because I was asking

964
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:39,200
similar questions to you in the course

965
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:41,930
of my awakening for lack of a better

966
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:44,089
term of describing it and we see that

967
00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:45,650
there are a lot of people going through

968
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:48,080
this Awakening and the bottom of the

969
00:38:53,710 --> 00:38:50,270
rabbit hole on violence and politics is

970
00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:53,720
that you realize nonviolent

971
00:38:57,370 --> 00:38:55,820
relationships are always more conducive

972
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:57,380
to human happiness

973
00:39:02,620 --> 00:38:59,960
than violent relationships so let me

974
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:02,630
start by reframing capitalism a little

975
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:04,010
bit because you know I could describe

976
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:06,530
myself it wouldn't be an unfair label to

977
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:09,020
describe myself as an anarcho-capitalist

978
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:11,240
right and it comes from the belief and

979
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:13,310
self ownership that you as an individual

980
00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:16,310
human being owned yourself as an

981
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:18,140
independent consciousness you have that

982
00:39:24,339 --> 00:39:21,609
inherent right to exercise your will

983
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:24,349
with the only limitation being the

984
00:39:30,339 --> 00:39:28,010
rights of others right so if capitalism

985
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:30,349
is described as ownership of the means

986
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:34,040
of production then it's not about

987
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:37,060
factories it's not about machines or

988
00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:41,230
supplies or tools or widgets it's about

989
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:44,540
individual human beings the ultimate

990
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,290
form of capitalism is you own yourself

991
00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:51,920
and the ultimate measure of productivity

992
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:55,580
is not widgets or dollars or corporate

993
00:40:00,400 --> 00:39:57,770
earnings but human happiness it's what

994
00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:00,410
you decide for yourself in the pursuit

995
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,180
of your own goals if you want to call

996
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:03,920
that greediness or self-interest or

997
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:05,089
whatever it is you can put it in

998
00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:07,820
positive terms or negative terms I see

999
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:10,520
it as you know how you defining freedom

1000
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,320
is based on your relationships right

1001
00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:14,480
your relationships are free of force and

1002
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:17,780
coercion and that's so important to

1003
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:20,089
understand that when we when we look at

1004
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:22,900
government as an institution that

1005
00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:25,790
everything it does is backed up by

1006
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:28,700
violence but by my definition of

1007
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,700
capitalism as capitalism is ownership of

1008
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:32,640
the means of production

1009
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:35,220
and that means you own yourself that

1010
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:39,140
when government exists at all you do not

1011
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:44,070
have capitalism because government is to

1012
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:46,620
govern to control when we talk about the

1013
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:49,170
institution of government it is always

1014
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:52,740
control by force controlled by violence

1015
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:55,020
even the good things that it does are

1016
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,500
backed up by the threat of force if only

1017
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,480
in well if you don't pay your taxes men

1018
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:01,920
with guns will come and lock you in a

1019
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:05,070
cage eventually and so that being said

1020
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:06,870
if government is violence and that

1021
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:09,780
violence can always be shown to hold us

1022
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:12,150
back from our natural state of harmony

1023
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:15,030
and cooperation because in an individual

1024
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:16,830
relationship that is voluntary this is

1025
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:18,570
why the philosophy is sometimes

1026
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:20,730
described as voluntary ISM we believe

1027
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:24,060
that all human relationships should be

1028
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,680
free of violence and coercion so that if

1029
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,140
that's the case we know that any time

1030
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:33,300
it's almost like a law of physics you

1031
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:35,310
know any time you have a relationship

1032
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:37,800
that is involuntary it means that

1033
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:40,830
someone's rights are being violated and

1034
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:43,530
someone's happiness is being compromised

1035
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:45,690
and that's an affront to the natural

1036
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:48,930
order of human harmony does that make

1037
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,350
sense

1038
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:51,600
it does and that was another question I

1039
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,890
had for you because you do talk about

1040
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:55,440
the fact that all tax is theft and

1041
00:42:00,260 --> 00:41:58,170
ultimately violence and I see the

1042
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:00,270
philosophical argument there but can't

1043
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,090
it be considered a social agreement if

1044
00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:04,800
we just had more control over where our

1045
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,360
tax dollars went I mean is there any

1046
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,910
paradigm in which a smaller community

1047
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,680
could come to you and say okay Adam

1048
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:12,240
we're going to need to pull some money

1049
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:13,770
together to do some things that we want

1050
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,930
as a community are you willing to give X

1051
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:18,960
amount for projects a B and C I mean

1052
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,730
isn't there any scenario and I'm all for

1053
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:22,950
that know that right right I'm all for

1054
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:24,900
that the only point at which I'm against

1055
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:27,270
that is when the mob comes to me and

1056
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,980
puts a gun to my head and says you

1057
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:30,720
better pay your fair share because of

1058
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,580
the social contract and I'm like wolf I

1059
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:35,280
never signed it I just I'm trying to

1060
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,290
live in peace here on my own I want my

1061
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,240
money to go to better project or maybe I

1062
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:41,460
have a sick relative who needs medical

1063
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:42,990
care I'm sorry I can't help you pay for

1064
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:45,210
your roads you know I should have the

1065
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,440
right to choose

1066
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:48,839
what I do with with my resources in that

1067
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:51,180
situation rather than having a gun put

1068
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,369
to my head and have my resources stolen

1069
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:55,140
what if everybody chooses to pass the

1070
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,579
buck what if everyone says well I don't

1071
00:43:00,020 --> 00:42:58,020
have enough money I want to see this

1072
00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:00,030
stuff done but if I pull out you know

1073
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:01,470
maybe how the other people will pay for

1074
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,410
it and everybody will have that mindset

1075
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:06,720
what that means is that more important

1076
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:09,210
things will get done so let's just let's

1077
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,980
look at the roads as an example right

1078
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,720
you know without government who would

1079
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:14,280
build the roads and that's kind of a

1080
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:15,900
silly question I mean I just built the

1081
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:18,089
road here near my property we know that

1082
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,619
we can come together and figure out the

1083
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:22,020
logistics of that right but let's say

1084
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:24,150
that we have let's say that our roads

1085
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:26,010
today and in person I think that at this

1086
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:27,270
point in history it wasn't for

1087
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:28,530
government we'd have flying cars by now

1088
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:31,530
but because the government has been

1089
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:33,930
subsidizing the oil and gas industry in

1090
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:35,609
the automotive industry for so long as

1091
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,930
they rifled in a incredibly clever memo

1092
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:41,640
but it's sorry sorry I didn't want to

1093
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:43,050
interrupt you but is it government who

1094
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,089
stole everything or is it literally oil

1095
00:43:49,579 --> 00:43:47,640
companies who have owned me not in

1096
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:49,589
government right sure I mean you can

1097
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:51,210
describe it either way how do we get rid

1098
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:53,130
of if we get rid of government that

1099
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:54,690
doesn't get rid of the oil companies

1100
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:56,250
that are using the government so how do

1101
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,460
we dismantle that power it means that

1102
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:01,319
the good oil companies will rise to the

1103
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:02,910
top and the bad ones will be put out of

1104
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:06,569
business very quickly it's back if I may

1105
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:09,089
get back it's not the side roads here so

1106
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,310
an end is e it to answer it because you

1107
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:13,980
raise a specific concern about pooling

1108
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:15,810
resources and how that happens without

1109
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,510
violence and I really do believe that we

1110
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,060
will pool resources and distribute

1111
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:23,339
resources more effectively an interest

1112
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:25,560
of human happiness when we take the guns

1113
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:27,240
out of the equation the force and the

1114
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,490
coercion of government so just to go

1115
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:31,020
back to the road let's let's say

1116
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:34,170
hypothetically that today's roads are

1117
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:36,510
really nice I mean their government

1118
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:38,490
roads are terrible if they're dangerous

1119
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,500
they're sloppy there's bad names but

1120
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:42,720
let's just say that today's roads you

1121
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:44,010
know may be compared to a hundred years

1122
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:45,300
ago today's roads are really nice the

1123
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,010
government has spent billions of dollars

1124
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:49,440
on the roads in America and we ended up

1125
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:51,390
with a reasonably serviceable

1126
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,339
transportation system let's say

1127
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:56,160
government wasn't there to tax us to

1128
00:45:00,260 --> 00:44:58,290
create infrastructure for the oil and

1129
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,270
gas and automotive industries

1130
00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:02,880
and individual communities have to pool

1131
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,360
resources organically or gas companies

1132
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:08,280
had to compete for our business to

1133
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:10,890
support them developing roads on their

1134
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:14,910
own it might be it might be in your

1135
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,250
scenario it might be correct that we are

1136
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,520
less able to pool resources to build

1137
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:22,980
Road but what if instead of those

1138
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,170
resources going to build roads they went

1139
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,180
to providing medical care for the needy

1140
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:29,520
maybe that was more important and what

1141
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,130
government does did is create well we're

1142
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:34,020
a central planner and we need to have

1143
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:35,460
roads everywhere it's going to be in

1144
00:45:38,810 --> 00:45:36,870
everyone's best interest and since you

1145
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:38,820
voted for it we're going to steal from

1146
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:41,250
people to make these roads happen well

1147
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,580
maybe that's causing a whole host of

1148
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,560
unintended consequences that aren't even

1149
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:49,200
visible because like you said now we

1150
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:50,970
have all this poverty as a result of

1151
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,290
that wealth being stolen from the

1152
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,240
American people now we have those

1153
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:56,700
resources going to the whims of central

1154
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:58,140
planners who in this case we know are

1155
00:46:01,880 --> 00:45:59,940
corrupt rather than going to meet the

1156
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:01,890
needs of the people so you know back to

1157
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:04,290
your community example hey we want to we

1158
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,970
need to pull resources to build a

1159
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:08,160
library and we need a hundred dollars

1160
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:11,820
from every house in this town and we're

1161
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:13,950
going to go door-to-door and we're going

1162
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:15,450
to put a gun to everybody's head and

1163
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:16,830
we're going to collect a hundred dollars

1164
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:19,380
to build a library well at some point

1165
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,940
you're going to find a guy who's got a

1166
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,440
hundred dollars left to his name

1167
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:24,900
who needs that for medical care to save

1168
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:26,490
his daughter's life and you put a gun to

1169
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,170
his head and you took it and now he's

1170
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:29,940
broke and now his daughter's dead you

1171
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,610
know I mean so so which you see there's

1172
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:35,280
a balance that is disturbed anytime you

1173
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:37,640
introduce violence into the equation and

1174
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:40,140
upset the natural distribution of

1175
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:42,990
resources in a non-violent society that

1176
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:44,490
would at least to the best of our

1177
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,250
abilities go to meeting real human needs

1178
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:48,720
rather than the needs of corruption

1179
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,690
that's well said but is there a

1180
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:53,880
punishment or consequence that you think

1181
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:56,010
would be appropriate for people who do

1182
00:46:59,660 --> 00:46:58,050
just want to leech off a system off of a

1183
00:47:00,980 --> 00:46:59,670
community and not contribute I mean

1184
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:00,990
because you're giving people two choices

1185
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,720
either you can give a certain percentage

1186
00:47:08,330 --> 00:47:05,640
of your income for this list of communal

1187
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:08,340
needs or you cannot and there's zero

1188
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:10,410
consequence for not doing it because

1189
00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:12,750
you're hedging your bet that everybody

1190
00:47:15,299 --> 00:47:14,140
else is going to contribute

1191
00:47:17,549 --> 00:47:15,309
and it just seems like you're

1192
00:47:19,289 --> 00:47:17,559
incentivizing people to be leeches from

1193
00:47:21,569 --> 00:47:19,299
a system without contributing anything I

1194
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,579
think the kind of the dirty secret of

1195
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:23,339
volunteerism is that no one actually

1196
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:26,710
volunteers well if our volunteers and

1197
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:28,930
it's voluntary ISM specifically and

1198
00:47:33,779 --> 00:47:31,390
you're making several incorrect

1199
00:47:35,549 --> 00:47:33,789
assumptions in the proposition that you

1200
00:47:37,259 --> 00:47:35,559
make there okay so let me go back to the

1201
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:37,269
library example for a second

1202
00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:40,089
hey we're building a public library it's

1203
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:41,589
going to be open to the public if you

1204
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:43,420
want to donate it's going to be open to

1205
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:44,920
the public if you don't want to donate

1206
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:46,930
it's still going to be open to you so

1207
00:47:51,569 --> 00:47:49,210
you're correct in that situation saying

1208
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:51,579
that the generosity of the people that

1209
00:47:55,499 --> 00:47:53,710
do chip in their hundred dollars can be

1210
00:47:57,809 --> 00:47:55,509
taken advantage of by the people who

1211
00:47:59,729 --> 00:47:57,819
don't chip in but in that case it's

1212
00:48:02,460 --> 00:47:59,739
voluntary the people who are sort of in

1213
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,470
that scenario being taken advantage of

1214
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:04,960
are doing so because they want that poor

1215
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:07,450
person who can't afford to contribute to

1216
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:10,390
the library to to still have access to

1217
00:48:14,579 --> 00:48:12,369
books and knowledge and for society to

1218
00:48:18,059 --> 00:48:14,589
be advanced by they're having access to

1219
00:48:20,489 --> 00:48:18,069
that that information but let's say they

1220
00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:20,499
hey work we're making a private library

1221
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:22,420
because we don't want those freeloaders

1222
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:25,569
we want a private library where only the

1223
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:27,190
people who have contributed their

1224
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,230
hundred dollars get to use the library

1225
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:32,200
well then they have that choice and the

1226
00:48:35,549 --> 00:48:33,730
people can decide whether that's what's

1227
00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:35,559
in their best interest or what's not so

1228
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:37,720
in some cases do we do we have

1229
00:48:42,779 --> 00:48:40,930
freeloaders or not well that's up to the

1230
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:42,789
people contributing so we're giving that

1231
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,430
choice back to the community as opposed

1232
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:47,680
to today's system could you talk about

1233
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:49,690
government encouraging freeloaders I

1234
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:51,910
mean hello but all right whoo whole

1235
00:48:55,979 --> 00:48:54,249
other scale of people taking advantage

1236
00:48:59,309 --> 00:48:55,989
of the system because government gives

1237
00:49:01,079 --> 00:48:59,319
them that sense of entitlement mm-hmm

1238
00:49:03,809 --> 00:49:01,089
yeah I wouldn't try to defend the

1239
00:49:06,509 --> 00:49:03,819
current system by by any measure but I

1240
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:06,519
just I'm concerned about this system and

1241
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:09,430
some of what what I perceive to be the

1242
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:11,650
assumptions made about human nature or

1243
00:49:16,739 --> 00:49:13,420
how people would act I guess the way to

1244
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:16,749
solve this is there a real-world model

1245
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:20,319
or example of a working libertarian

1246
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,450
community well

1247
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:25,119
the question is more does non-violence

1248
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:27,249
we have any examples of non-violence

1249
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:28,030
working better

1250
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:29,950
than violence and you know I mean there

1251
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:31,330
was a guy who got murdered somewhere

1252
00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:32,710
yesterday and I don't think violence

1253
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:33,940
worked well for him and there was

1254
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:35,980
somebody I whose hands I shook this

1255
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:37,630
morning and said good morning let's talk

1256
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:38,290
business

1257
00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:40,090
and it was a good relationship for both

1258
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:43,180
of us so right there you know that's all

1259
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:44,860
the evidence that you need because what

1260
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:46,450
we're talking about is non-violence

1261
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:49,780
versus violence not a system versus a

1262
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:52,810
different system it's let's eliminate

1263
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:55,690
the violence and coercion so there are

1264
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:57,460
examples you know all over the world

1265
00:50:02,040 --> 00:49:59,260
throughout history where there have been

1266
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:02,050
periods of less violence and how about

1267
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:04,210
that when you don't have war when you

1268
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:07,000
don't have central control when you you

1269
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:08,710
don't have institutionalized violence

1270
00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:11,260
yes the general track record of human

1271
00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:13,420
history is pretty clear less violence

1272
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,780
equals more happy people and in terms of

1273
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:18,760
how we move forward in this and how we

1274
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:21,880
can agree regardless of whether you have

1275
00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:24,550
full faith in this is to make it a

1276
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,070
peaceful orderly transition in a way

1277
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:28,960
that you can agree with entirely which

1278
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:32,290
is localization government even if you

1279
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:34,330
believe that government is necessary and

1280
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:36,340
I might even just to play devil's

1281
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:38,530
advocate against myself you know I might

1282
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:40,840
try to argue that as long as people

1283
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:42,970
believe in government it is necessary

1284
00:50:47,730 --> 00:50:45,340
you know we have to stop turning to

1285
00:50:50,850 --> 00:50:47,740
violence to solve problems and then you

1286
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:50,860
know when we when we train ourselves as

1287
00:50:56,190 --> 00:50:53,680
a society to seek the nonviolent

1288
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:56,200
solutions before we seek the violent

1289
00:51:00,750 --> 00:50:58,210
solution that would be the point at

1290
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:00,760
which government is truly obsolete so

1291
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:02,980
how we move forward again localization

1292
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:04,990
decentralization of power in the United

1293
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,630
States very easy eliminate the federal

1294
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:10,480
government eliminate state government

1295
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:11,770
eliminate the federal government with an

1296
00:51:18,090 --> 00:51:14,410
orderly transition to making the state's

1297
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:18,100
the highest form of government in the

1298
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:21,220
land and you know not fundamentally

1299
00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:23,380
change the paradigm just localized to

1300
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:25,780
that extent but then you're going to see

1301
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,070
people are going to be so much happier

1302
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:29,440
and more prosperous they're going to

1303
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:31,360
want to keep going with that process so

1304
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:34,630
once the states have become stable with

1305
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:35,710
the elimination of the federal

1306
00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:37,720
government that might be several years

1307
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:40,660
that might be a couple decades then you

1308
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,980
can eliminate the state government

1309
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:43,359
and get down to the counties and

1310
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:46,180
eventually down to the communities where

1311
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:49,330
systems of violence and central control

1312
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:51,910
will at least be very well custom

1313
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,130
tailored to the needs of that community

1314
00:52:00,120 --> 00:51:57,040
and in most places they will be very

1315
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:00,130
quickly made completely obsolete by

1316
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,410
nonviolent systems that will push the

1317
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:04,480
remaining government systems out of the

1318
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:08,020
way well maybe part of my problem is the

1319
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:09,880
the definition of violence I mean would

1320
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:12,460
you consider any requirement to live

1321
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:15,910
within a community to be violent what

1322
00:52:20,099 --> 00:52:17,560
what do you mean any requirement Haven a

1323
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,109
can I mean idea if we had if we had a

1324
00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:22,240
small community and said okay to live in

1325
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,040
this community because we have developed

1326
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,410
a clean nice system and it's got a good

1327
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:28,720
infrastructure and network so we say in

1328
00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:30,820
this community if you live here we take

1329
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,100
five percent of your wages and we put

1330
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:34,480
that towards public good and if you

1331
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:36,220
don't like that that's okay but you

1332
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:38,140
cannot live here you cannot use the

1333
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,359
community we built to make your wages

1334
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:42,880
because it's built on this premise so if

1335
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:45,130
we save it instead of locking them in a

1336
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:47,830
cage at gunpoint instead we just move

1337
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:49,750
them out of the community is that still

1338
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:51,220
violence I mean is there any way to have

1339
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:53,380
requirements in a community and not

1340
00:52:59,730 --> 00:52:56,410
equate it to violence if you do it with

1341
00:53:02,359 --> 00:52:59,740
property and do it properly ethically

1342
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:02,369
the system that you're describing is

1343
00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:07,210
entirely viable so let me see if I can

1344
00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:09,820
tease out some scenarios and how this

1345
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:12,520
might work that would kind of answer

1346
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,330
your question here so if you let's say

1347
00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:19,020
you're starting from scratch right you

1348
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:23,020
take ten families and you go out in the

1349
00:53:28,109 --> 00:53:25,930
middle of an unpopulated area and you

1350
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,119
put up a big fence around it and you

1351
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,359
save it we are creating an organization

1352
00:53:35,370 --> 00:53:33,520
here where we are all homesteading this

1353
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:35,380
land we are all claiming this land and

1354
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:37,930
we are creating a voluntary collective

1355
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:40,390
of which we are all members that has

1356
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:43,450
rules of a democratic system where

1357
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:48,190
majority rules and the institution owns

1358
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:52,690
this land so no individual actually owns

1359
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:55,980
their home or their land within that

1360
00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:58,530
then it's entirely voluntary to

1361
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:01,859
participate and then whatever is voted

1362
00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:03,450
on as long as people are free to leave

1363
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:06,680
would be entirely ethical and the

1364
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,080
collective as we thus legitimate owners

1365
00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:12,960
of that property would be able to

1366
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:16,230
exercise their ownership by expelling

1367
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:18,450
people from their property and that

1368
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,810
would be a basis to create the kind of

1369
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:24,119
system that you're describing it's only

1370
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,240
a problem if you say well our community

1371
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,800
includes you and you're like if I'm

1372
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:30,480
sitting here on my land right now in

1373
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:32,550
juniper wood ranch and you come and buy

1374
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:34,830
the properties around me and say well

1375
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:37,590
now Adam you're in my community so we're

1376
00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:39,660
going to claim that we're going to

1377
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:41,190
impose our rules on you and I would say

1378
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:43,350
no no this is this is my property it's

1379
00:54:47,090 --> 00:54:45,450
my rules on this I'm not signing any

1380
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:47,100
agreement to be part of your collective

1381
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:49,050
as long as you're not violating my

1382
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:50,730
property to do that then then you're

1383
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:53,010
welcome to do that I think in

1384
00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:54,930
practicality as we move forward to a

1385
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,150
stateless society these things aren't

1386
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:00,000
going to be geographically based the I

1387
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:02,540
think that they're a rather limiting

1388
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,940
hangover of you know the pre-internet

1389
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:08,640
age and the status paradigm so when you

1390
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:10,260
say like you want a community where we

1391
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,750
pool our resources in order to do X Y &

1392
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:15,200
Z I think it's going to be much more

1393
00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:17,910
virtual networks by which that happens

1394
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,150
rather than arbitrary geographical areas

1395
00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:23,640
but if you want to do it in a

1396
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:26,100
geographical area like to get back to

1397
00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:27,119
your example what do you do with New

1398
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:29,580
York City right I mean you get down you

1399
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,619
dissolve the state of New York the

1400
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:33,119
counties and everything and you get down

1401
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:35,640
to New York City I don't think you can

1402
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:38,609
untangle that knot of interwoven

1403
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:40,950
property claims and I think what you're

1404
00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:42,270
going to end up with is you could call

1405
00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:44,100
it the government of the city of New

1406
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:45,750
York but it would essentially be a

1407
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,150
prayer would have to become a private

1408
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:50,460
corporation that says you know we own

1409
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,450
the land this corporation owns the land

1410
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,920
within this territory I think that would

1411
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:57,960
be how you transition cities is that

1412
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:00,300
instead of trying to make a city fully

1413
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:03,090
private property based at the individual

1414
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:06,570
level it becomes collectively owned but

1415
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:08,280
instead of having the system of voting

1416
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:09,890
where anybody shows up

1417
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:11,930
you know you know the government system

1418
00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:15,230
it's more like a shareholder system you

1419
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:17,870
know if you own property on the island

1420
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:20,030
of Manhattan today you know and the

1421
00:56:23,830 --> 00:56:22,490
corporation is now going to give you an

1422
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:23,840
extra voting right if you honor that

1423
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:26,090
property with now you're not the owner

1424
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:29,690
you are the sort of owner and there'd

1425
00:56:33,130 --> 00:56:31,550
have to be another legal structure for

1426
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:33,140
if you own an apartment building in

1427
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:36,230
Manhattan and Manhattan BK or the New

1428
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:39,260
York became a not government we wouldn't

1429
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:41,090
pretend to say that you own that

1430
00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:43,490
property we would say that you are you

1431
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:45,500
know you have a custodial ownership

1432
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:47,330
you're the custodial owner and that's

1433
00:56:51,730 --> 00:56:49,220
the reality of owning property today

1434
00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:51,740
under the status system that is so

1435
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:54,320
destructive you know I I own according

1436
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:54,770
to government

1437
00:56:58,780 --> 00:56:56,750
I own the 11 acres that I'm sitting on

1438
00:57:00,820 --> 00:56:58,790
right now in Arizona but I have to pay

1439
00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:00,830
property taxes right yeah you're always

1440
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:03,560
just if I think if that's the case yeah

1441
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:04,190
I'm a renter

1442
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:06,350
like let's just I'm just saying let's be

1443
00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:08,060
honest about that and if you have a

1444
00:57:12,250 --> 00:57:10,580
system that's honest about that then you

1445
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:12,260
can have a voluntary system that's going

1446
00:57:16,810 --> 00:57:14,390
to meet human needs better than this you

1447
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:16,820
know illusion of ownership under a

1448
00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:19,010
statist system oh yeah I didn't believe

1449
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:20,600
me that is a struggle I'm having right

1450
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:21,980
now because I'm at that point where I'm

1451
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:23,600
sick of throwing away two grand a month

1452
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:25,970
on rent and looking at trying to get

1453
00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:27,380
into property ownership and then

1454
00:57:32,770 --> 00:57:29,600
realizing you know you never really own

1455
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:32,780
a battery right so it is this better

1456
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:34,670
right it's a leap dude if I can do

1457
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,410
anything to encourage you make the leap

1458
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:38,720
help start this movement of people who

1459
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:40,940
are you know I mean for me this is like

1460
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:44,630
from the the Iran novel Atlas Shrugged

1461
00:57:48,670 --> 00:57:47,000
I'm not a Randian by any stretch don't

1462
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,680
misunderstand me but you know she

1463
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:50,720
introduced a lot of important ideas into

1464
00:57:55,870 --> 00:57:53,960
the human paradigm and one of them is

1465
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:55,880
this idea of going Gault that you know

1466
00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,950
when you feel like you're suffering or

1467
00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:59,750
in any way limited under a violent

1468
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,320
oppressive system just peacefully

1469
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:03,440
non-violently

1470
00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:05,270
withdraw your support just so you know

1471
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:08,180
I'm not yeah I could you know I have a I

1472
00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:10,940
have a pretty good bachelor's degree I'm

1473
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:12,740
a reasonably smart dude if I wanted to

1474
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:14,180
go play the corporate game and make

1475
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:16,490
money and you know live that you know

1476
00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:18,440
mainstream American lifestyle and have

1477
00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:21,140
toys and pay a mortgage and all that I

1478
00:58:26,260 --> 00:58:23,600
could but I

1479
00:58:28,750 --> 00:58:26,270
rather not you know live with the guilt

1480
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:28,760
once you understand that when you pay

1481
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:30,920
taxes when you pay rent when you're

1482
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,390
productive for the system you're

1483
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:33,920
contributing to the violence of the

1484
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:36,410
system you know I would rather do what

1485
00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:38,900
I'm doing now and and maybe compromise

1486
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:42,740
my overall material wealth in order to

1487
00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:44,660
know that I'm not contributing to

1488
00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:46,220
violence that's going to make the world

1489
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,790
a worse place for future generations so

1490
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:51,020
for myself you know I bought a piece of

1491
00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:52,910
land it's not perfect you know I started

1492
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:54,320
building without a permit I'm now

1493
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,030
working through the permitting process

1494
00:59:00,970 --> 00:58:58,400
and negotiating a good deal in that I

1495
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:00,980
think yeah I'm half way to food

1496
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:02,570
independence here with chickens and

1497
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:05,480
turkeys and working on you know building

1498
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,910
a greenhouse to have independence for

1499
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:10,970
fruits and vegetables as well and it's

1500
00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:14,630
you know it's a process it's a it's sort

1501
00:59:21,310 --> 00:59:17,870
of I don't want to say a squats if the

1502
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:21,320
struggle is more in psychologically

1503
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:23,150
breaking free like I'm actually sitting

1504
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:25,940
in an RV trailer right now I live in a

1505
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:27,170
trailer I've lived in living in a

1506
00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:29,570
trailer for the last two years and I'm

1507
00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:31,340
living in a trailer on my land while I

1508
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:34,280
build a house and you know that I'd

1509
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:37,610
rather be living modestly this way and

1510
00:59:45,010 --> 00:59:42,470
be living more ethically than than the

1511
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:45,020
alternative very eloquent man I

1512
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,090
appreciate that too so just to put a

1513
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:49,040
finer point on this thing you did wrap

1514
00:59:54,430 --> 00:59:52,550
up a tour to gauge support for a 2020

1515
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:54,440
presidential run in your campaign seems

1516
00:59:57,790 --> 00:59:56,510
to be based on the question of what

1517
01:00:00,700 --> 00:59:57,800
happens when a person runs for president

1518
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:00,710
only to dissolve the presidency itself

1519
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:02,950
and that is provocative and interesting

1520
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:05,570
before we go tell us about the tour and

1521
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:07,190
maybe how much support you actually did

1522
01:00:12,310 --> 01:00:08,950
find out there for that kind of idea

1523
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:12,320
well the tour was amazing and compared

1524
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,850
to last year's tour when we were just

1525
01:00:18,130 --> 01:00:15,440
focusing on the book and we had a lot

1526
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:18,140
more time to organize we actually were

1527
01:00:23,770 --> 01:00:20,150
still able to on average double our

1528
01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:23,780
turnout at every event and that was huge

1529
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:25,580
and people are really enthusiastic about

1530
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:28,490
this the platform is simple I say that

1531
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:30,890
I'm running for not president and I mean

1532
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:33,140
that very seriously in the sense that

1533
01:00:37,509 --> 01:00:36,710
the platform is to sign one executive

1534
01:00:39,189 --> 01:00:37,519
order

1535
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:39,199
that immediately declares the federal

1536
01:00:44,979 --> 01:00:40,849
government of no authority whatsoever

1537
01:00:46,779 --> 01:00:44,989
and includes me resigning from the

1538
01:00:48,909 --> 01:00:46,789
presidency to be custodian of the

1539
01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:48,919
federal government and appoints

1540
01:00:52,929 --> 01:00:51,140
department heads to each major

1541
01:00:55,659 --> 01:00:52,939
Department for the purpose of

1542
01:00:58,389 --> 01:00:55,669
dismantling or transitioning that agency

1543
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,399
so the only power that I would retain as

1544
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:00,319
custodian would be to replace the heads

1545
01:01:05,669 --> 01:01:02,329
of departments as necessary if they get

1546
01:01:09,699 --> 01:01:05,679
sick or die or aren't following the

1547
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:09,709
preordained plan of disillusion and some

1548
01:01:13,329 --> 01:01:11,569
agencies are very easy you know what do

1549
01:01:15,579 --> 01:01:13,339
you do with the IRS well if we're

1550
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:15,589
feeling nice you know we decide to not

1551
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:18,079
cut people's hands off send everybody

1552
01:01:23,799 --> 01:01:20,809
home sell the building you know sell the

1553
01:01:26,049 --> 01:01:23,809
buildings not that complicated similarly

1554
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:26,059
like Department of Education does not

1555
01:01:30,429 --> 01:01:27,890
run a single school does not educate a

1556
01:01:33,819 --> 01:01:30,439
single child it's a federal bureaucracy

1557
01:01:35,889 --> 01:01:33,829
that can simply go away Department of

1558
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:35,899
Veterans Affairs there's no reason it

1559
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:37,729
has to be eliminated as long as we

1560
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:39,140
separate it from funding through

1561
01:01:44,259 --> 01:01:41,089
taxation so what I would do with the VA

1562
01:01:48,219 --> 01:01:44,269
is spin it off as a private charity

1563
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:48,229
where every single veteran has one share

1564
01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:50,689
voting right in the VA and it's allowed

1565
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:52,849
to continue as long as it can sustain

1566
01:01:59,289 --> 01:01:56,630
itself by donations by you know the

1567
01:02:01,059 --> 01:01:59,299
existing use of the hospitals and

1568
01:02:04,929 --> 01:02:01,069
physical properties that are controlled

1569
01:02:06,939 --> 01:02:04,939
by the VA certain welfare agencies can't

1570
01:02:10,509 --> 01:02:06,949
be dissolved they should be localized

1571
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,519
and there needs to be a serious cautious

1572
01:02:15,249 --> 01:02:12,799
administrative process if only of

1573
01:02:16,989 --> 01:02:15,259
handling all the data from handing it to

1574
01:02:19,449 --> 01:02:16,999
the federal agencies to the state

1575
01:02:21,939 --> 01:02:19,459
agencies that would take over those

1576
01:02:25,569 --> 01:02:21,949
functions in each state the Department

1577
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:25,579
of Defense huge logistical hurdle what

1578
01:02:28,389 --> 01:02:27,049
do you do with the nuclear weapons I

1579
01:02:30,849 --> 01:02:28,399
think that's something that deserves a

1580
01:02:34,889 --> 01:02:30,859
separate program to say or I should say

1581
01:02:36,729 --> 01:02:34,899
a separate new department head whose

1582
01:02:39,669 --> 01:02:36,739
responsibility is to immediately

1583
01:02:42,849 --> 01:02:39,679
dismantle a excuse me immediately disarm

1584
01:02:46,029 --> 01:02:42,859
and as soon as safely possible dismantle

1585
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:46,039
the entire nuclear arsenal so there's

1586
01:02:49,749 --> 01:02:47,839
different things that that you know have

1587
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:49,759
to be done with different agencies but

1588
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,450
by and large it's a

1589
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:53,760
straightforward process you know how we

1590
01:02:57,740 --> 01:02:56,340
manage this to say well the federal

1591
01:02:59,570 --> 01:02:57,750
government is no longer going to be the

1592
01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:59,580
supreme or the highest form of

1593
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:00,780
government now it's going to be the

1594
01:03:05,150 --> 01:03:03,120
state if anything what we're doing is

1595
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:05,160
saying look we can do this the easy way

1596
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:06,930
or the hard way the hard way is we

1597
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:08,760
ignore the problems of the federal

1598
01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:11,400
government the hard way is that we bury

1599
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:13,830
our heads in the sand and pretend that

1600
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:15,450
this is just going to go away and wait

1601
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:17,040
for the collapse and then hope that

1602
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:19,170
government spares us and it's violent

1603
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:21,210
death throes as it desperately clings to

1604
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,550
power as opposed to look let's face up

1605
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:24,960
to reality and acknowledge these

1606
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:25,560
problems

1607
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:27,630
let's disown the debt I mean the

1608
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:29,550
national debt is the greatest mark of

1609
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:31,470
unsustainability of the system let's get

1610
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:33,810
out of the dollar altogether let's

1611
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:35,700
transition to Bitcoin or cryptocurrency

1612
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:37,950
of some kind or state something or

1613
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:40,410
locally backed currencies rather than

1614
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:43,650
the Federal Reserve System ripoff so

1615
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,180
like you know there's so much else that

1616
01:03:49,790 --> 01:03:47,760
goes along with this but as complicated

1617
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:49,800
as the process might be it's still a lot

1618
01:03:54,380 --> 01:03:51,600
easier than a Roman Empire style

1619
01:03:57,110 --> 01:03:54,390
collapse it's a lot easier than if the

1620
01:03:58,340 --> 01:03:57,120
dollar collapses unexpectedly and you

1621
01:04:01,100 --> 01:03:58,350
know we don't have something to fall

1622
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,110
back on you know so this campaign is not

1623
01:04:05,570 --> 01:04:02,880
just about the message of the campaign

1624
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,580
itself but inspiring people to live more

1625
01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:08,160
ethically and to go golf in the ways

1626
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:10,260
that they can withdraw their material

1627
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:13,710
support of government violence well said

1628
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:16,830
man Adam when it comes to the analysis

1629
01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:18,570
of the current system all its problems

1630
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:21,060
its control schemes and abuses we

1631
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:23,040
couldn't be more aligned you know I am

1632
01:04:25,580 --> 01:04:24,210
just less confident in the whole

1633
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:25,590
self-government model but I do

1634
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,870
appreciate your position and your

1635
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:29,880
passion for it before we really go

1636
01:04:33,590 --> 01:04:31,530
remind the people where they can get

1637
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:33,600
your free book and get involved with

1638
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:35,370
what you're doing if they like these

1639
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,410
things you're saying you know thanks

1640
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:38,880
again Greg I really appreciate the

1641
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,040
opportunity to talk to you and to your

1642
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:42,960
audience and to have such a thoughtful

1643
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,270
conversation about these things and it's

1644
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:47,880
just beautiful to be able to feel how so

1645
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:50,550
many compassionate people are applying

1646
01:04:55,580 --> 01:04:53,040
their their intellect like you are to

1647
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:55,590
move humanity forward and it's really an

1648
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:57,960
honor to be a part of that so my website

1649
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:01,740
is the Freedom line.com the freedom line

1650
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:04,290
com if you go there you can plug in to

1651
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:05,460
everything I'm doing all

1652
01:05:11,059 --> 01:05:08,790
social media and the book is free there

1653
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:11,069
you can get it in every digital format

1654
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:13,559
possible including the audiobook so I

1655
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:14,730
hope you'll check that out you can check

1656
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,530
out my youtube channel we recently hit

1657
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:18,480
50 million views and 200,000 subscribers

1658
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:21,240
so the market has spoken I can be at

1659
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:23,910
least moderately entertaining as well on

1660
01:05:28,339 --> 01:05:26,550
the internet check it out and if you

1661
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:28,349
want to get involved in the presidential

1662
01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:30,569
campaign four years in advance as we're

1663
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:33,480
building this organization now go to the

1664
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:35,430
forums and sign up with your contact

1665
01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:37,770
info and please join my email list as

1666
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:39,750
well there so thank you very much great

1667
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:41,940
yeah you got it man thank you it's been

1668
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:43,410
a real pleasure keep fighting the good

1669
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:47,130
fight out there YouTube alright guys

1670
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:49,890
Adam Koch cash big thanks to him

1671
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:52,650
honestly he was super nice and friendly

1672
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:55,530
I was a bit of an this episode I

1673
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:58,680
can say that I interrupted and ranted

1674
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:00,839
and I thought a lot of people get away

1675
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:02,970
with saying a lot of stuff on this show

1676
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:04,890
but for some reason this was the day I

1677
01:06:09,290 --> 01:06:07,770
decided to dig my heels in I've been

1678
01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:09,300
digging a lot of respects I do agree

1679
01:06:13,579 --> 01:06:11,430
with libertarians but I just think that

1680
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:13,589
they have a big blind spot which is all

1681
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,020
I was trying to get at it speaks to that

1682
01:06:19,579 --> 01:06:18,000
point we've talked about before about

1683
01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:19,589
our tendency to want singular

1684
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:21,630
explanations I think that's what

1685
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:24,059
positions like this are sometimes but

1686
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,980
the higher side chest is largely built

1687
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:28,140
around letting a guest make their case

1688
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:30,510
for their perspective without the bias

1689
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:34,049
of a host right at least to some extent

1690
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,170
and obviously I just couldn't let things

1691
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:40,079
go in this one I don't know so I should

1692
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:42,690
and do apologize to Adam he dealt with

1693
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,790
all that and remained a lot more cool

1694
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:47,760
than I was in my defense I didn't track

1695
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:49,319
him down to get him here to argue

1696
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:52,049
someone associated with him who was a

1697
01:06:56,059 --> 01:06:53,970
fan of both the higher side and Adams

1698
01:06:58,579 --> 01:06:56,069
work asked about having him on and I

1699
01:07:00,980 --> 01:06:58,589
said sure because I do like a lot about

1700
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:00,990
what Adam says so there is a slight

1701
01:07:03,530 --> 01:07:02,609
distinction there right I mean I'm not a

1702
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,540
total

1703
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:06,180
I don't know but another reason I should

1704
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:08,520
apologize is because I've been holding

1705
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:10,290
on to the show for way too long

1706
01:07:15,260 --> 01:07:11,849
I'm pretty sure we recorded it in

1707
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:15,270
December but we had pizza gate pop-up

1708
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:17,640
which we dedicated some shows to I

1709
01:07:22,009 --> 01:07:19,380
wanted to get Austin

1710
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:22,019
on for the 2017 astrological assessment

1711
01:07:25,999 --> 01:07:23,970
before we got too far into the year and

1712
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:26,009
then because things were just so heavily

1713
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:28,440
political I wanted to get back to weird

1714
01:07:33,259 --> 01:07:30,089
stuff before putting out another episode

1715
01:07:36,019 --> 01:07:33,269
that gets into worldviews and politics

1716
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:36,029
and that kind of stuff also my primary

1717
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:38,339
recording failed so I had to rely on my

1718
01:07:43,279 --> 01:07:40,710
backup which still sounds pretty good to

1719
01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:43,289
the listeners but it does put both

1720
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:45,390
voices on one track rather than

1721
01:07:49,999 --> 01:07:47,640
separating them which makes it a lot

1722
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,009
harder to edit and clean up so that did

1723
01:07:54,859 --> 01:07:52,319
play a role too because I do tend to

1724
01:07:57,079 --> 01:07:54,869
take the easy road a lot but I feel

1725
01:07:59,299 --> 01:07:57,089
particularly bad because Adam was

1726
01:08:02,120 --> 01:07:59,309
dealing with some public drama at the

1727
01:08:04,819 --> 01:08:02,130
time that's something we got more into

1728
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:04,829
in the second hour but he was very open

1729
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:06,900
and personal with a lot of stuff

1730
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:09,660
and then to lag on the release like this

1731
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:12,690
just rude shouldn't keep him hanging

1732
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:13,079
like that

1733
01:08:18,610 --> 01:08:16,259
so I up of course I still have my

1734
01:08:20,539 --> 01:08:18,620
issues with that paradigm of

1735
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:20,549
self-governance and extreme

1736
01:08:24,499 --> 01:08:22,710
libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism

1737
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:24,509
but I could have handled it way better

1738
01:08:28,519 --> 01:08:26,759
if he ever wants to come back and do it

1739
01:08:31,129 --> 01:08:28,529
again and talk more about the common

1740
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:31,139
ground that we share like maybe we

1741
01:08:36,499 --> 01:08:34,440
should have I'd be down to do it I do

1742
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,509
agree with the basic idea that things

1743
01:08:41,780 --> 01:08:38,339
work themselves out and we don't need

1744
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:41,790
government to be a babysitter and I even

1745
01:08:45,919 --> 01:08:43,560
think self-governance is a great

1746
01:08:47,629 --> 01:08:45,929
personal philosophy I mean I try to keep

1747
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:47,639
the system at arm's length as much as

1748
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,650
possible but I don't know if you can

1749
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:52,380
scale that up for everyone I don't want

1750
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:54,060
a Wild West I don't want everyone to

1751
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:55,770
have to be armed to defend their own

1752
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:57,900
I mean that level of responsibility

1753
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:01,920
I think is very extreme Adams contention

1754
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:04,049
is that a big caveat to this system

1755
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:05,699
working is that it would have to

1756
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:08,730
coincide with a cultural evolution but

1757
01:09:13,459 --> 01:09:11,310
that's a huge caveat I feel like that's

1758
01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:13,469
saying if everyone just acts right

1759
01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:15,929
self-governance will work well any

1760
01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:18,270
system will work if everyone acts within

1761
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:20,670
certain parameters but they just don't

1762
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,980
and there cannot be a society of

1763
01:09:27,490 --> 01:09:24,810
absolute freedom because groups of

1764
01:09:30,620 --> 01:09:27,500
people have to find compromises

1765
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,630
someone's right and freedom to host a

1766
01:09:35,379 --> 01:09:33,199
drum circle at 3 a.m. will always

1767
01:09:36,939 --> 01:09:35,389
conflict with someone else's right to

1768
01:09:39,789 --> 01:09:36,949
have peace and quiet in a good night's

1769
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,799
sleep I don't like cops or big

1770
01:09:45,519 --> 01:09:41,900
government but only because there is a

1771
01:09:48,099 --> 01:09:45,529
threat of a ticket or confrontation with

1772
01:09:51,459 --> 01:09:48,109
police or eviction to people generally

1773
01:09:53,529 --> 01:09:51,469
abide by curfews take away all the

1774
01:09:56,290 --> 01:09:53,539
recourse and some people will just be

1775
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:56,300
public shaming isn't always

1776
01:10:00,879 --> 01:09:58,760
going to be enough sometimes people get

1777
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:00,889
drunk and start acting stupid and they

1778
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:02,650
kind of need to have the threat of

1779
01:10:07,839 --> 01:10:06,320
recourse of consequences I mean listen

1780
01:10:09,729 --> 01:10:07,849
to me I guess I sound like I'm speaking

1781
01:10:12,069 --> 01:10:09,739
at a Bilderberg conference but I really

1782
01:10:15,489 --> 01:10:12,079
just don't know that you can awaken the

1783
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:15,499
masses people like us listeners we've

1784
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,409
always been outliers right alternative

1785
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:20,719
thinkers it's kind of in the definition

1786
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:23,329
and I'm well aware of government's role

1787
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,369
in market manipulation and making

1788
01:10:30,009 --> 01:10:28,400
monopolies but again it's a what came

1789
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,019
first the chicken or the egg kind of

1790
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,239
thing and I don't think unbridled

1791
01:10:37,509 --> 01:10:34,400
free-market works

1792
01:10:39,549 --> 01:10:37,519
people buy cigarettes and fast food when

1793
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:39,559
they know it's bad the beast just gets

1794
01:10:42,729 --> 01:10:40,130
bigger

1795
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:42,739
I guess the questions you have to ask

1796
01:10:46,449 --> 01:10:45,260
yourself revolve around if you think

1797
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:46,459
it's okay for there to be some

1798
01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:49,369
requirements in a society and if someone

1799
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:50,420
doesn't want to meet those requirements

1800
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,510
how do you handle it the perspective we

1801
01:10:58,830 --> 01:10:55,760
talked about today considers all taxes

1802
01:11:00,910 --> 01:10:58,840
to be theft under the threat of violence

1803
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:00,920
personally I don't mind paying some

1804
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:02,690
taxes I would like more control over

1805
01:11:07,569 --> 01:11:05,510
where it goes but how do you handle that

1806
01:11:08,529 --> 01:11:07,579
if someone doesn't want to pay would it

1807
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:08,539
be reasonable

1808
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:12,170
in a certain town to say if you don't

1809
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:14,030
want to pay you can't live within these

1810
01:11:19,209 --> 01:11:16,760
city limits because this city is badass

1811
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:19,219
because we all contribute and we make

1812
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:22,070
sure the streets are clean don't have

1813
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,369
potholes we got some badass landscaping

1814
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:26,719
here all the kind of stuff that makes

1815
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:29,090
the nice towns nice I mean you know how

1816
01:11:31,629 --> 01:11:29,690
they are

1817
01:11:34,419 --> 01:11:31,639
I mean maybe you've ever dealt with a

1818
01:11:36,729 --> 01:11:34,429
situation like a subdivision that has

1819
01:11:38,799 --> 01:11:36,739
certain requirements to keep it nice to

1820
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:38,809
keep the home values high what if

1821
01:11:43,899 --> 01:11:40,610
somebody in your neighborhood just wants

1822
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:43,909
to trash their lawn have huge piles of

1823
01:11:47,260 --> 01:11:45,170
garbage everywhere because they're just

1824
01:11:49,390 --> 01:11:47,270
lazy is that their right

1825
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:49,400
it brings down your property value I

1826
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,130
mean these are just little things that

1827
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:54,320
happen in a society there has to be some

1828
01:12:00,970 --> 01:11:57,710
kind of common ground another question

1829
01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:00,980
would be is a regulatory agency like the

1830
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,520
FDA fundamentally a bad thing or is ours

1831
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:06,800
just run by a corrupt revolving door of

1832
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:09,650
lobbyists rooted in a deceptive agenda

1833
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:11,510
and a false sense of security unleashed

1834
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:14,090
on an ignorant populace is zero

1835
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:16,930
regulation the answer or is something

1836
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:19,790
altruistic and fairly minimalist

1837
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:22,510
actually possible if we were to care

1838
01:12:27,370 --> 01:12:25,370
though I do like localization of

1839
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:27,380
government I wish we had localization of

1840
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:29,780
companies too nobody ever talks about

1841
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,310
getting rid of international

1842
01:12:36,610 --> 01:12:34,640
corporations are they not an aspect to

1843
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:36,620
the globalist agenda are they not the

1844
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:38,810
ones that choke out small businesses and

1845
01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:41,030
require these gross factory farm

1846
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:43,580
processes to stock their 50,000 stores

1847
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,790
worldwide I don't know I just take that

1848
01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:49,520
Robert Anton Wilson approach that the

1849
01:12:54,850 --> 01:12:52,430
map is not the territory and no map is

1850
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:54,860
going to cover it all meaning what looks

1851
01:12:59,140 --> 01:12:56,660
good on paper doesn't always apply to

1852
01:13:01,090 --> 01:12:59,150
the real world and no ISM is going to

1853
01:13:03,190 --> 01:13:01,100
cover all situations and make everyone

1854
01:13:05,230 --> 01:13:03,200
happy but I don't want to sit here and

1855
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:05,240
make a bunch of points that can't be

1856
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:07,910
responded to now that our guest is gone

1857
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:10,280
that's not really fair to keep it going

1858
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,290
but I don't think anything that I said

1859
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:14,480
would surprise someone who's listened

1860
01:13:19,450 --> 01:13:16,310
for a long time what do you think I'm

1861
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:19,460
wrong or not but again with Adam we do

1862
01:13:24,850 --> 01:13:21,980
agree more than we disagree so I was a

1863
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:24,860
bit of a dick today sorry man I hope

1864
01:13:28,330 --> 01:13:26,720
people who do agree with Adam will let

1865
01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:28,340
him know that they enjoyed hearing them

1866
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:30,470
on the higher side I know there are a

1867
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:33,250
lot of anarcho-capitalist listeners

1868
01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:35,330
hopefully you see what I've been trying

1869
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:37,340
to get at if not we can agree to

1870
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:39,860
disagree but thanks for listening in the

1871
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,620
+ show I was even more of a dick but

1872
01:13:47,470 --> 01:13:44,840
also Adam shared some fairly intense

1873
01:13:49,210 --> 01:13:47,480
personal stuff we talked about lessons

1874
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:49,220
that he learned from his time in the

1875
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,010
military industrial and prison complexes

1876
01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:54,560
the difficult challenges Adams been

1877
01:13:58,420 --> 01:13:56,540
dealing with them last year the true

1878
01:13:59,940 --> 01:13:58,430
difference between justice and

1879
01:14:01,300 --> 01:13:59,950
punishment and how we've been

1880
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:01,310
propagandized

1881
01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:04,550
fuse the two a lot of solid stuff and I

1882
01:14:08,140 --> 01:14:06,740
really did enjoy his book to remember

1883
01:14:11,470 --> 01:14:08,150
guys it is free

1884
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:11,480
so do get yourself a copy of freedom and

1885
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:13,880
I'll see you next time I am going to get

1886
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,360
out of here

1887
01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:16,640
your move multinational monsters

1888
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:19,240
globalist vampire squids and out-of-date

1889
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:26,480
authoritarian your maybe a little

1890
01:14:39,730 --> 01:14:33,010
out of some crazy garbage call the blood

1891
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:39,740
on the exploited working class but they

1892
01:14:49,050 --> 01:14:44,090
for the poem maecenas now we're calling

1893
01:14:56,590 --> 01:14:49,060
them your highness and the world scream

1894
01:15:01,000 --> 01:14:56,600
take me THC they destroyed the bonds of

1895
01:15:07,860 --> 01:15:01,010
friendship and respect between the only

1896
01:15:13,090 --> 01:15:07,870
people left could even let them any hot

1897
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:13,100
now they lost and big fortune of the

1898
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:17,270
same ones that they torture and a world

1899
01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:21,300
scream take me THC

1900
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:36,940
[Music]

1901
01:16:00,910 --> 01:15:55,449
now you only wanna they built a little

1902
01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:00,920
Empire out of some crazy garbage called

1903
01:16:13,089 --> 01:16:07,000
the blood of employed and working class

1904
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:13,099
but they overcome a sinus now is calling

1905
01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:19,270
me your finest and the world scream hey